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Off Flint
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 Posted - 19/09/2011 : 15:57:46
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I've just received a Luna 606 that I ordered on-line and I'm not happy.
The "minor blemish" allowed by GM for a 606 rating is pretty large and exactly in the sweet spot. I know it is the end of the season and the best ones have been picked but surely this is not what you would expect from a £125 grade 3 bat.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56685850@N03/6163011750/in/photostream
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Tykemania
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 16:10:12
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| have you tried tapping that spot with a mallet? I'd wager it probably goes just fine, because that looks like nothing more than a cosmetic issue to me. |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 16:43:06
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Thanks for your reply. I haven't hit it with anything apart from my knuckles at the moment. I was thinking of sending it back but I wanted to hear some advice first. There is a different deeper/duller tone when you go over that area. I know that even though it is 'ready to play' I was planning oil it then knock it in and reapply a scuff sheet. Maybe unnecessary and only for the hands-on feeling but still.
As far as I understand it you can liken it to fine tuning a spring to get the most rebound. The thing is, if the spring is already compressed (or hard if you like) then surely you won't get the best rebound/ping off the bat especially if it is in the sweet spot area.
All I can say is it may look only cosmetic but it does sound different but I am not a expert that is why I am here looking for advance. Is this usual for a 606? I have seen better 404's.
I do like the feel of the Luna in my hands, I can't wait to try it in the nets but not if the quality is not what I have paid for. |
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Nick_Admin
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 17:37:20
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Im guessing you paid £80 for this bat , if you are so worried about the quality of your bat then I would suggest you visit a shop and hand pick the bat yourself that way you get what you want , however the bat you have shown looks absolutely fine and should play very well for a 606.
I saw a blemish like this on a Salix last week priced at £200 so count yourself lucky. |
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thedevil95
Amateur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 18:46:50
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| I had a GM hero that had a blemish exactly the same if not bigger, was also a 606 model went better than a newbery players i aquired and the blemish wasnt dead at all |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 18:52:30
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Indeed I didn't pay the RRP but to quote GM, the 606 can have "Minor blemishes with some colour on one edge". It is my understanding that a blemish is cosmetic. If it sounds dull, it is a defect surely. If it was higher up I am sure I could live with it, just not where you want to hear and feel a nice ping instead of a duller thud. I know it is a product of nature but it seems odd (to me) this is a 606 and not a 404 which can have "Knot marks with some stain/speck" but preferably not in the sweet spot.
By the sound of things you think I am expecting too much. Again, I am not a expert, that is why I am here. It's just I don't want to be stood at the crease and after the first ball think 'bollocks, I should have sent it back'. Then it is way too late. I live abroad where cricket shops are far and few between and they didn't stock the Luna apart from a 'local' on-line shop which was a lot more expensive than the UK RRP.
I can understand your point about the Salix but there is the reason it is still on the shelf I suppose.
Maybe it is wrong to compare but compared to the video below my bat is nothing like the standard of the 606 bats never mind the 404 bats. And that is my point, if they say to 606 standards you expect the quality to be the same standard. Or am I again expecting too much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4bD4jMfAs 606 bats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8rVRtKaxtY 404 bats
Nick, if you don't mind me asking, would you happily to sell me a bat like this as a 606 or buy one when you have no option of hand picking one? |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 18:59:26
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@TheDevil95. Thanks for your reply. Interesting. It does give me hope.
Did it sound any different when knocking it in? I don't tune pianos for a living but mine does sound duller. |
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Tykemania
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 20:16:43
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| whole point is, what does it feel like off a mallet? You can give it a tap without affecting your ability to send it back... |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 01:14:04
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I've got no reason to doubt you but I hope you understand that I'll have to check with the supplier about 'knocking in' a bat and then possibly returning it.
For the record. Where do you draw the line between a blemish and a defect? Surely a defect affects the performance of the bat.
I'm not trying to be funny but if I tap it hard and there is a duller sound around the 'abnormality' and then spend a few hours with a mallet, is the comparison with a spring correct? I mean if I compress two different densities in the sweet spot area, you will never get a consistent bat. And no matter what your level of cricket you'd notice it, right? |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 09:32:14
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Originally posted by Off Flint
I've got no reason to doubt you but I hope you understand that I'll have to check with the supplier about 'knocking in' a bat and then possibly returning it.
For the record. Where do you draw the line between a blemish and a defect? Surely a defect affects the performance of the bat.
I'm not trying to be funny but if I tap it hard and there is a duller sound around the 'abnormality' and then spend a few hours with a mallet, is the comparison with a spring correct? I mean if I compress two different densities in the sweet spot area, you will never get a consistent bat. And no matter what your level of cricket you'd notice it, right?
I believe that you have contacted us yesterday through our website about this bat, so better that I let the correspondence flow through there.
As a point, the bat is already knocked in. We don't have an "end of season" as you put it, production at our factory in Nottingham is all year round servicing all global markets.
Kind regards
Edward Lowy
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Edited by - Edward Lowy on 20/09/2011 09:33:51 |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 13:01:58
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I believe that you have contacted us yesterday through our website about this bat, so better that I let the correspondence flow through there.
As a point, the bat is already knocked in. We don't have an "end of season" as you put it, production at our factory in Nottingham is all year round servicing all global markets.
Kind regards
Edward Lowy
Group Managing Director
Yes I had mentioned that I was posting here just to be fair and give you the opportunity to respond.
I'm not trying to cheese people off here I'm just trying to say I am surprised with the size and position of the mark in question. With most things it all depends on interpretation.
To quote the GM website,
606 Minor blemishes with some colour on one edge
505 Minor knot marks with some light stain/speck
404 Knot marks with some stain/speck
all grade 3 willow
Looking at the photos, am I wrong in thinking it is something like a 505 at best? Am I being unreasonable? Please, again, I am not a expert. What is the difference between blemish and stain?
I know GM go to the time and trouble to prepare their bats, it's just a personal thing to hit it myself. Also end of season was referring to the UK cricket season of course where in the UK the best of the bunch have been picked first.
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Nick_Admin
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 01:39:46
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I suggest you use the bat, if its terrible send it back, we receive bats upto 12m after purchase.
However don't wait too long. Where did u buy this bat from? |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 08:54:34
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| I have to admit to being a little anal here. It is very very nice. It feels just so nice in my hands. I hope you can imagine though, looking forward to the bat arriving and then opening it to see the mark in the driving area. Yes it is harder than the surrounding willow but that will help me with knocking in (personal preference), right? I still have not had the chance to use it in the nets yet. That's where the real test will be. As for returning it after 12months, but I'm not that cheeky. |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 15:05:23
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Peter Wright replied to you yesterday, which I hope you have found helpful
Kind regards
Edward |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 03/10/2011 : 08:26:52
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Yes he has thank you.
He explained that the mark is, "...almost certainly a result of an aerial root commonly found in the bottom round of a tree grown in thick vegetation where a small root has started to sprout but does not grow to any size.
Such marks are blemishes but generally slightly harder than the surrounding willow but it will have good driving power as it is in the sweetspot and being harder will give more rebound to the ball without any vibration in the player's hands".
While true, keeping a ball in the air there is less vibration than my CA 10,000 (itself a very nice bat) the said area feels dead. The problem is I can't tell 100% if that is because it is heading towards the toe area or it's because of the mark. |
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Off Flint
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Posted - 25/10/2011 : 18:37:10
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| Last weekend I was in the UK and took the bat back. Explained the situation and asked what their returns policy was. They gave me a full refund. |
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