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Nick_Admin
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29/03/2011 : 16:54:36
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whether or not you have great players, you have to captain them....
I think a good captain , but no way poor. But not an all time great... |
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HazzaStix
Amateur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 17:07:17
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| ok not a great skipper.....but one the greats batting...up there with tendulkar, kallis, bardman etc... |
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roco
Amateur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 17:57:13
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| Not quite in sachin or bradmans class but one of the best of the modern era with the bat |
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HazzaStix
Amateur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 18:09:17
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| well in terms of technique....easily....ok 18000 ODI runs dont compare to 12000 but i would take either! |
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Omega
Semi-Pro
Ireland
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 18:10:00
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| First 3 names on my team sheet would be KP , RP and EM. (all formats of the game) |
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quick-keep
Professional
United Kingdom
1653 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 19:24:35
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Originally posted by The Man Hatter
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
shows how much you know Hatter.
proves everything. Once the all star xi retired, Ponting's captaincy was shown up as being pretty poor.
Classic example is he doesn't know how to utilize spinners, other than Warne. Even with Warne, Ponting had little input...
this comment is absolute rubbish as they haven't had a good spinner to use |
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 20:52:33
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Originally posted by quick-keep
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Originally posted by The Man Hatter
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
shows how much you know Hatter.
proves everything. Once the all star xi retired, Ponting's captaincy was shown up as being pretty poor.
Classic example is he doesn't know how to utilize spinners, other than Warne. Even with Warne, Ponting had little input...
this comment is absolute rubbish as they haven't had a good spinner to use
Hauritz is a fine bowler, what did Punter do with him? Oh yeah dropped him and picked joke bowlers like Doherty, Beer and Steven Smith. |
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 20:53:30
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Originally posted by HazzaStix
AND WHEN HATTER SAYS NO REAL LOSS....OVER 12000 ODI RUNS.....MY A.R.S.E NO LOSS. You should comment on whos good or bad when you get anywhere near that. I bet you have'nt even got a 100!
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 20:54:36
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| For the record, Punter was a fabulous batsman in his peak. He's one of the few I'd pay money to go and watch. |
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roco
Amateur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2011 : 21:21:26
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| You can't knock postings stats which I would take from any English man ;) but not one if the greatest ever as bowling not as strong as it used to be plus flat pitches but a great of the modern era in his pomp I would like to have seen him lunging forward to the likes of holding Roberts etc |
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HazzaStix
Amateur
United Kingdom
275 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 23:17:38
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| Hauritz is a fine bowler?.....and swann is not?....Not that i did but i no longer have respect for Hatter. His commenst again are utter bull and noone should listen to him and his 'OPINIONS' <-------------- ANDS THATS ALL THEY ARE HATTERS BAD OPINIONS...stats show the proof! |
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HazzaStix
Amateur
United Kingdom
275 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 23:20:40
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| if i was you nick ( just my opinion) i would block this hatter as he obv just trying to aggravate the forum and tbh he is. He is posting ridiculous topics which have no truth to them and he just talks out of his ass |
Edited by - HazzaStix on 29/03/2011 23:21:07 |
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italianharris
Amateur
United Kingdom
478 Posts |
Posted - 30/03/2011 : 00:49:27
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| look. He just stating his opinion. If he says england r crap thats his right. U lot say if a guy is no.1 test bowler how can he be crap- know how many of you said that about vettori? All of u said not worthy. English fans r very smug after wins and talk crap sometimes like all fans, which pi**es most people off. Deal with it, and bye the way i dont agree what he said about swann, as he is the best spinner in the world, but slightly agree what he said about anderson- overrated, very good in england- 1 good spell down under-disgusting in sub c, very below par in odi's. |
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Tykemania
Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/03/2011 : 08:20:12
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I think with Ponting, you have to seperate him as a batsman (a great player - not All Time XI standard but nontheless great) from him as a leader. As a leader, all he has done is win matches that anyone would expect him to win, he has added nothing of value by leading the team. Interesting stats in the Telegraph today - his record as skipper of the Australian test side is 48 wins in 77 matches - the record of sides he played in just as a batsman is 51 wins in 75 games. So as skipper the side drops from a 68% win ratio to a 62% win ratio, at a time when he had an all star XI and a plethora of weak opposition on which to feast.
On this subject, Derek Pringle has offered comment on the side of those you might call his detractors, stating today that Ponting's "tactical limitations, aggression and three Ashes defeats count against him" and that "When he finally does call time on his career, he is likely to be regarded as one of Australia's top five batsmen. As for his captaincy, it does not even make the charts". |
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Nick_Admin
Admin
United Kingdom
26424 Posts |
Posted - 30/03/2011 : 09:09:19
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And yet even after all those retirements he won half of his Tests (21 of 42 since 2007) - a record that compares favourably with Michael Vaughan and Mahela Jayawardene, two captains who are unanimously acclaimed as great. It is a better record than that of Graeme Smith - who can call on Dale Steyn.
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Goodbye Ricky
