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HazzaStix
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 27/03/2011 : 15:45:42
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| sorry that was not me on here last night. will remove if you want. But still Hatter, your comments are invalid completely...Period! |
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quick-keep
Professional
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 16:37:28
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Originally posted by HazzaStix
NO ONE CARES WHAT THE MAN HATTER SAYS SO JUST ****ING IGNORE HIM, HES FROM MEXICO THEY DONT PLAY CRICKET
best comment ive seen in ages! |
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goochy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 16:57:43
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Keeping saying it and might might start to believe it...
As great spinners go, the World has gone from Warne, Murali, Kumble and MacGill - 4 outstanding bowlers.
To a journeyman like Swann?
One thing is certain, against high quality players of spin eg SL and IND, Swann can't hack it.
As for getting into all other sides in the World, he wouldn't get into the Sri Lankan or Indian side.
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Are you sure about this? Swann is rated higher than Harbajhan singh and in my opinion is a better bowler purely for the fact that he is a far more clever bowler than harbajhan. Therefore he gets in the india test side.
The sri lanka side, once again he gets in the sri lankan test side now that murili has retired, he plays alongside mendes.
how can you argue with that? |
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
122 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2011 : 17:56:05
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Originally posted by goochy
Are you sure about this? Swann is rated higher than Harbajhan singh and in my opinion is a better bowler purely for the fact that he is a far more clever bowler than harbajhan. Therefore he gets in the india test side.
The sri lanka side, once again he gets in the sri lankan test side now that murili has retired, he plays alongside mendes.
how can you argue with that?
Ranking often are misleading. Swann has bullied the rubbish sides like Windies, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Harbhajan has 390 odd Test wickets, so either he's a mug and batsmen just slog him up in the air or he's a World class bowler....
India have endless supplies of spinners. R Ashwin, Ojha, Mishra and then the up coming spinners like Iqbal Abdulla from Mumbai.
SL have plenty of good young spinners to replace Murali. Mendis, Herath and Randiv.
To play for sub continental sides, you need an x factor. Swann doesn't have that. Off spinners with no wrong um, be it a doosra or carrom bowl can't hack it Asia.
The next 7 Tests will make or break his career. |
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Omega
Semi-Pro
Ireland
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 18:46:06
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@ goochy
Would Harbajhan Singh make it into the England and Sri Lankan sides as a cricketer ? (all formats of the game) |
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SempreSami
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 18:56:49
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Originally posted by The Man Hatter
To play for sub continental sides, you need an x factor. Swann doesn't have that. Off spinners with no wrong um, be it a doosra or carrom bowl can't hack it Asia.
The next 7 Tests will make or break his career.
I hadn't realised that bowling with a quirky action was an x factor. |
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 19:31:44
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Hatter wrote quote:
Swann has bullied the rubbish sides like Windies, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
So I gather that all these spinners you quote as better than Swann haven't had the luxury of boosting their averages against those "rubbish" teams then. They've only played against the top dogs and that's why they are below Swann in the rankings |
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 20:59:03
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Originally posted by Bob Martin
Hatter wrote quote:
Swann has bullied the rubbish sides like Windies, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
So I gather that all these spinners you quote as better than Swann haven't had the luxury of boosting their averages against those "rubbish" teams then. They've only played against the top dogs and that's why they are below Swann in the rankings
Harbhajan Singh has a fine record vs Australia.
Mendis has a good record vs India.
Randiv debuted vs India and more than held his own.
Swann has a walloped by SL and India |
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Nick_Admin
Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 21:23:43
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There is no need for this hatter , stop or i will remove this thread. Its coming across as a hate campaign against the english
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 21:25:36
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| You miss the point Hatter .. again... Harbhajan and some of the others have played against the teams you refer to as rubbish.. so they've had the same opportunity as Swann to enhance their averages. Now if, as you claim, they are that much better spinners than Swann, by playing against these teams their averages should have been more enhanced than Swann's are. So how come Swann is currently the top ranked spinner in the world and of your list of "better" spinners, Harbhajan is highest at seven. Perhaps you can explain that. |
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 21:39:26
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| And just as a matter of interest.. Swann hasn't played a test v Sri Lanka...but he has bowled 6 times against them in ODIs... 53 overs, 5 maidens, at an average of 4.52 runs per over.. I'd hardly call that being walloped. |
Edited by - Bob Martin on 27/03/2011 21:53:20 |
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HazzaStix
Amateur
United Kingdom
275 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2011 : 21:48:57
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| look lets face it..he can argue if he wants to but his argument/comment is totally invalid he lives in mexico...enough said really...and yeah nick it is actually. |
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goochy
Semi-Pro
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 23:03:38
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@ goochy
Would Harbajhan Singh make it into the England and Sri Lankan sides as a cricketer ? (all formats of the game)
Yes he would, but would play alongside swann in both formats, and would also play alongside mendes in both. If your trying to claim here that ive claimed harbajhan is 'rubbish' i haven't i merely stating the fact id rather swann.
@Hatter 'rankings are deceiving' look at my other post and i also said this but they do also tell the story. |
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goochy
Semi-Pro
United Kingdom
698 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2011 : 00:13:15
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Man Hatter i just need to say that you are a complete n*bhe*d when it comes to talking about england.
throughtout all of your posts you claim england are lucky, or to quote you 'lucked out', we were lucky in the world 2020 apparently? jimmy anderson is also 'rubbish' even though he bolwed better than anybody in the world currently in the ashes.
true England were poor throughout the WC, and didnt deserve to win it but this IMO wasnt down to a lack of skill, but due to fatigue and the ridiculous schedule they had. I mean look at the facts, jimmy anderson can bowl like a genius in Aus, but cant even bowl straight in the WC. if your telling me thats because he lacks talent im telling you, you need help.
if swann/anderson were sri lankan i guarantee you would be saying that they are two of the best bowlers in the world, but because there english and you seem to have this vendetta against the english you come out with ridiculous points which i dont think anyone actually agrees with on this forum. |
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The Man Hatter
Amateur
Mexico
122 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2011 : 13:37:56
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Sorry Anderson isn't fit to lace Dale Steyn's boots. Anderson had to wait until the Australian side been mediocre before putting in a 'World Class performance'.
Anderson relies on the pitch for him to be unplayable, whilst Steyn makes things happen even on flat pitches.
Fatigue is an excuse. Other sides have been playing tours left, right and center, yet they're not using fatigue as an excuse... |
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Bye Bye England
