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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/04/2011 : 12:31:16
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Originally posted by Omega
Thank you for your reply Edward.
So for the 2012 UK season no imported bats will carry the registered DXM logo ?
As you say the current range of 101 and 202 KW imported bats carry the DXM logo http://www.gm-cricket.com/range/kashmir_willow_bats.aspx
No problem. Background to this is a wonderful lack of foresight to be honest.
We moved over to DXM manufacturing at about the same time as we decided to license our name in India. The only sensible way at the moment to service the developing quality Indian market is by bats being made there for that market.
DXM has really taken off since launch, but of course we can only make a bat using the DXM process at our own factory in Nottingham.
Meanwhile, our Kashmir Willow bats have generally followed the naming conventions of our UK made English Willow bats, so we found ourselves with DXM Kashmir (available worldwide) & DXM Licensed bats (available in India). These do not make any sense and I can see can cause understandable confusion in the marketplace, hence our move to restrict DXM labelled bats purely to English Willow, Made in our own factory in Nottingham.
How daft can we be, eh? I think it's called the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Kind regards
Edward |
Edited by - Edward Lowy on 02/04/2011 12:33:43 |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 12:33:03
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
Can you clear up why they are called DXM if they are hand made Edward?
or are you saying they will no longer be called DXM (next year)
thanks
Not with you Nick? All our DXM bats have a high labour content. The machines are good, but they are not as smart as Our Kevin... |
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Nick_Admin
Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:02:28
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:03:26
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
If a bat is handcrafted in India, how can it be a DXM bat ?
Exactly, it can't and isn't. See my post two above yours. |
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Omega
Semi-Pro
Ireland
669 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:14:23
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
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Originally posted by Omega
Thank you for your reply Edward.
So for the 2012 UK season no imported bats will carry the registered DXM logo ?
As you say the current range of 101 and 202 KW imported bats carry the DXM logo http://www.gm-cricket.com/range/kashmir_willow_bats.aspx
No problem. Background to this is a wonderful lack of foresight to be honest.
We moved over to DXM manufacturing at about the same time as we decided to license our name in India. The only sensible way at the moment to service the developing quality Indian market is by bats being made there for that market.
DXM has really taken off since launch, but of course we can only make a bat using the DXM process at our own factory in Nottingham.
Meanwhile, our Kashmir Willow bats have generally followed the naming conventions of our UK made English Willow bats, so we found ourselves with DXM Kashmir (available worldwide) & DXM Licensed bats (available in India). These do not make any sense and I can see can cause understandable confusion in the marketplace, hence our move to restrict DXM labelled bats purely to English Willow, Made in our own factory in Nottingham.
How daft can we be, eh? I think it's called the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Kind regards
Edward
Thank you for your reply Edward and nice to get this cleared up as you mentioned it can lead to confusion amongst some folk.
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Tykemania
Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:28:18
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb.
I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide.
Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies... |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 15:03:32
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb.
I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide.
Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies...
I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad!
Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When?
You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others.
Kind regards
Edward |
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Tykemania
Admin
United Kingdom
10867 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 16:46:31
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb.
I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide.
Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies...
I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad!
Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When?
You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others.
Kind regards
Edward
Edward;
I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities. |
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Omega
Semi-Pro
Ireland
669 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 17:46:06
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2011 : 18:58:58
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb.
I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide.
Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies...
I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad!
Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When?
You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others.
Kind regards
Edward
Edward;
I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities.
Thanks, but I haven't received anything : elowy@unicorngroup.com |
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Nick_Admin
Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2011 : 14:54:23
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Edward Lowy
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Originally posted by Tykemania
quote:
Originally posted by Edward Lowy
The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb.
I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide.
Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies...
I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad!
Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When?
You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others.
Kind regards
Edward
Edward;
I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities.
Just to confirm this was not our store |
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Tykemania
Admin
United Kingdom
10867 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 17:09:35
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
Just to confirm this was not our store
Sorry, could have been clearer about that (though I did say West London) - no, the sensitivities I refer to were those regarding the mention of competitors! |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 23:19:55
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Originally posted by Tykemania
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Originally posted by Nick_Admin
Just to confirm this was not our store
Sorry, could have been clearer about that (though I did say West London) - no, the sensitivities I refer to were those regarding the mention of competitors!
Email received, many thanks, will investigate
Kind regards
Edward |
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Edward Lowy
Managing Director: Unicorn Products Ltd
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2011 : 19:03:22
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Originally posted by Flare888
My friend had a flare 404, it pings pretty well. Is there a significant difference leading up to the original?
Yes there is - the further up the range you go, the lighter, more consistent a piece of willow you will get.
Nothing to stop a 404 being a long lasting, highly satisfying blade however!
Kind regards
Edward |
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Omega
Semi-Pro
Ireland
669 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2011 : 12:13:39
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