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Lekkasport
Lekka Worldwide
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 Posted - 08/07/2010 : 16:28:12
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The only difference is that Smith played for Transvaal and Pieterson played state in Durban , Smith thought he was a nob and Pieterson tossed his toys and England provided a collection pram (with sterling to help his financial situation).
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
2178 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2010 : 17:03:24
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| Lekkasport... I'm not really too sure what your post has to do with the matter under discussion. Nobody mentioned Smith and, unless I'm sorely mistaken, the Kieswetter/Pietersen situation was merely quoted by JohnnyXXX as an example.. not an actual event. However, the circumstances as to how Pietersen came to play for England are completely immaterial to the argument. The whys and wherefores are a matter for him. The only thing that matters as far as this discussion is concerned is his qualification to play. |
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KIWI
Semi-Pro
Australia
1198 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2010 : 23:23:16
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Symonds was 3 months old when he came to Aus,not 25 years old as was KP.
And he played for QLD before playing county cricket you will find
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Skipper
Amateur
Australia
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 00:10:24
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| I think I agree with your email Kiwi. Still waiting to be convinced that the ECB have nothing to do with these players chosing to qualify for England, it happens far too often to think otherwise. |
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
2178 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 01:22:38
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Kiwi... The matter regarding Symonds was brought up simply to illustrate the invalidity of the statement about Symonds that Skipper made in trying to justify his misconception that the ECB actively encourages players to switch allegiance. JohnnyXXX's post knocked that one on the head. The rest of what you say is irrelevant to the point I am trying to make about discrimination, which so far the anti-foreign born player brigade have refused to address. I guess their silence says it all.
Addendum.. Skipper's latest post appeared after I posted the above. Once again I note that he makes assumptions with no facts to verify them.. Pure conjecture. Also, no valid argument as to how he would implement a system of preventing what he obviously disagrees with and no answer to the discrimination question which I have raised on more than one occasion.. His argument consists of one simple premise... I disagree with the system, ergo it must be wrong.
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Skipper
Amateur
Australia
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 03:01:04
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"Skipper... The ECB does not ask nor actively encourage players to swap countries. If that were the case, the ECB would hardly include qualification requirements in addition to those specified by the ICC. These players have opted to qualify to play for England of their own free will."
Above was your statment, I asked how you knew there was no encouragement from the ECB, you didn't answer, I asked what the additional qualifications were, no answer ( other than go try and find out for yourself )
I don't want to keep going on about this, I simply pointed out why people view the ECB and English cricket in a negative light over this issue, whether it's perception or reality. Final question on it, why is my questioning whether the ECB encourages foreign players conjecture, and your statment that they don't, a fact? How do you know they don't chase promising cricketers from other nations? |
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Lekkasport
Lekka Worldwide
4257 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 03:11:47
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| They are currently chasing Boyd Rankin from NI. |
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KIWI
Semi-Pro
Australia
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Skipper
Amateur
Australia
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 05:20:14
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| Bob has stated they don't chase players, these grown men are just following their dreams, chasing a better life. Cricket never enters the minds of these poor down-trodden immigrants, nor do they have any contact with the ECB before they move, those are the facts. |
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KIWI
Semi-Pro
Australia
1198 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 06:30:53
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| Skip, they are just like Jana Pitman, she didnt talk to any one about becoming a Pom and competing for them either |
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Bob Martin
Professional
United Kingdom
2178 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 09:24:21
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| More step-stepping from the masters of diversionary tactics.. or, how to avoid answering simple questions by posing some of your own and then accusing the original questioner of twisting the issue. Brilliant !!! You should both be in politics. |
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Lekkasport
Lekka Worldwide
4257 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 12:17:42
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| No room for politics in cricket Bob .... you should know that. |
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Skipper
Amateur
Australia
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 12:37:21
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Originally posted by Bob Martin
More step-stepping from the masters of diversionary tactics.. or, how to avoid answering simple questions by posing some of your own and then accusing the original questioner of twisting the issue. Brilliant !!! You should both be in politics.
Can you see how ironic that post is Bob?
You tried to turn a cricket topic into some sort of human rights issue, yet still refuse to back up your statments or answer any questions directed at you. I guess this debate is rather pointless if you just want to play word games. |
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Lekkasport
Lekka Worldwide
4257 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2010 : 12:47:55
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| Skips , most in the UK believe that you Aussies are racist so Bobs replies may stem from that way of thinking. |
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Skipper
Amateur
Australia
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Posted - 09/07/2010 : 13:23:20
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| We are in no way racist, we dislike everyone equally. |
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