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dan_griffin11
Professional
1949 Posts |
 Posted - 18/05/2008 : 19:33:33
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seems you lot have been brainwashed by teachers at school.
If a person wants to smoke, so be it. It wouldn't affect the cricket whatsoever, just decrease life expectancy |
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C Dog
Test Player
Zimbabwe
7314 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 19:35:52
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Originally posted by PunterPonting
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C-Dog Slightly contradictory.. smoking and drinking are both bad for you...so why disagree with the comsumption of one and not the other?
many cricketers smoke -
shane warne, matthew maynard, rob key, matthew walker etc
Not really sure I agree with you here..
There is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation, and in fact studies have shown that drinking wine in moderation is actually beneficial. Alcohol can damage the liver but only when consumed in very large amounts..
On the other hand smoking even in moderation can be damaging to ones health. Cigarettes have been shown to cause cancers (due to the benzopyrene+P43 I think?) - especially lung cancer. In fact even inhaling another persons cigarette smoke can cause health problems...
So I'm kind of with Tom here...
as seen as you are sneaking in a bit of bio punter i shall do the same!
everyone knows that carcinogens can cause cancer (there are 43 carcinogens in tobacco smoke which cause mutations in the oncogenes..which says to many people KEEP AWAY FROM CIGARETTES!) but some people choose to smoke, and that is their choice. now i feel the main argument in this thread is the implications of a cricketing role model on a young aspiring cricketer - seeing the role model smoke may encourage the child to smoke...what a load of balls! if they have anything between their ears they will know smoking is harmful to health. if younger people think smoking is cool, tell them that when their lungs are tar laden and they are lying in A&E.. |
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J-Ridd 10
Professional
United Kingdom
2236 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 19:58:12
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| i dont think smoking is good and i personally would never try it, but i have to accept that some people do smoke and i can do nothing about as it is there lives they are shortening!!!! |
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leggiedan23
Professional
United Kingdom
4229 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 20:06:21
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| His choice and it's a free country as it was before the Smoking ban (I guess) then he's within his rights. I hate it as a habit being ahstmatic it sets me off really badly but who am I to stop them. Without dissing him too much I really think theres better players to aspire to be like. |
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MOUNSEY
Semi-Pro
1256 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 20:10:18
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Originally posted by leggiedan23
His choice and it's a free country as it was before the Smoking ban (I guess) then he's within his rights. I hate it as a habit being ahstmatic it sets me off really badly but who am I to stop them. Without dissing him too much I really think theres better players to aspire to be like.
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Dobbs
Professional
United Kingdom
3158 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:03:16
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Originally posted by Tom Mounsey
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Originally posted by leggiedan23
His choice and it's a free country as it was before the Smoking ban (I guess) then he's within his rights. I hate it as a habit being ahstmatic it sets me off really badly but who am I to stop them. Without dissing him too much I really think theres better players to aspire to be like.
Here Here
It's "Hear hear" mate.
Anyway, on topic, I was at first shocked that some cricketers smoked when I first found out. However, I now realise that it is down to them, calling a cricketer a bad role model for smoking, some parents smoke, so are they bad role models? If someone likes smoking, then fine, but why should anyone stop them? Especially for sportsmen, a smoke before an innings relaxes you, after it calms you down and can be seen as a reward for a decent knock/whatever.
Seriously, just because you don't like smoking doesn't mean everyone should stop straight away.
The Earth revolves around the Sun, not childish anti-smoking beliefs.
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dan_griffin11
Professional
1949 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:08:08
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Baz123
Amateur
74 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:18:13
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| Johann Cruyff, Diego Maradona, Tim Henman, Zidane, Ian Botham, David Ginola all smoked during their careers. They seemed to do ok for themselves and are decent role models (with perhaps the exception of Maradona!) |
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17sammyboy17
Amateur
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:31:01
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| I never knew about Tim Henman and David Ginola. You learn something knew everyday |
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Will946
Professional
3452 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 22:19:43
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all this about drinking in moderation is totally missing the point, the england cricket team clearly had not had one glass of wine for the four days before they celebrated their ashes victory, but had been binge drinking in gross quantities...
yes, smoking is bad for you and shouldnt be advised but why should you look down on a person for a life choice they make which doesnt affect you? |
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Will946
Professional
3452 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2008 : 22:20:32
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ps tugay smokes too, best passer in the premiership  |
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Nick_Admin
Admin
United Kingdom
26424 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2008 : 00:38:46
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Tom, George Best !!
It is a free country.
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MOUNSEY
Semi-Pro
1256 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2008 : 08:10:10
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My initial point wasn't that smokers make bad role models hence why I don't think that a parent who smokes is necessarily a bad role model.
I also accept that it is the persons choice to smoke, and if you work as a sportsman, or in an inactive job in an office, it is your choice, and nothing and no-one will stop you.
I just believe that proffesional sportsman should not choose to smoke, and my opnion will never change! |
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MOUNSEY
Semi-Pro
1256 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2008 : 08:10:55
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Originally posted by Will946
ps tugay smokes too, best passer in the premiership
u can tell, just by looking at him! |
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PunterPonting
Kit Competition Winner
United Kingdom
2152 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2008 : 08:40:54
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Originally posted by C Dog
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Originally posted by PunterPonting
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C-Dog Slightly contradictory.. smoking and drinking are both bad for you...so why disagree with the comsumption of one and not the other?
many cricketers smoke -
shane warne, matthew maynard, rob key, matthew walker etc
Not really sure I agree with you here..
There is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation, and in fact studies have shown that drinking wine in moderation is actually beneficial. Alcohol can damage the liver but only when consumed in very large amounts..
On the other hand smoking even in moderation can be damaging to ones health. Cigarettes have been shown to cause cancers (due to the benzopyrene+P43 I think?) - especially lung cancer. In fact even inhaling another persons cigarette smoke can cause health problems...
So I'm kind of with Tom here...
as seen as you are sneaking in a bit of bio punter i shall do the same!
everyone knows that carcinogens can cause cancer (there are 43 carcinogens in tobacco smoke which cause mutations in the oncogenes..which says to many people KEEP AWAY FROM CIGARETTES!) but some people choose to smoke, and that is their choice. now i feel the main argument in this thread is the implications of a cricketing role model on a young aspiring cricketer - seeing the role model smoke may encourage the child to smoke...what a load of balls! if they have anything between their ears they will know smoking is harmful to health. if younger people think smoking is cool, tell them that when their lungs are tar laden and they are lying in A&E..
I knew C-Dog and I would be able to get in a bit of A-Level biology banter here! |
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