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[quote][i]Originally posted by Edward Lowy[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Tykemania[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Edward Lowy[/i]
1 absolute complete drivel. My posts are there for all to read and draw their own conclusions. The intention of my choice of wording, which is clear I suspect to most people not wishing to pick a fight, is that the combination of "quality" & "volume" for a bat manufacturer has become increasingly rare these days, and is a fundamentally different proposition to niche manufacturers where quality is produced in very low volumes. Contrast also with high volume, label application operations where I do not think consistency and quality is achieved regularly and reliably.

2 once again, the costs of our bats rose as a result of willow increases. Yes, we do have a lot of other overheads, really no surprise there, what I am drawing a distinction between is our business "model" and the "model" of a lower cost, direct sale, operation which has a completely different cost structure.

Whether you wish to believe the facts I am telling you is entirely up to you.

What would I buy? What a splendid hypothetical question. The answer is that we have been very pleased with the growing sales of our top end bats (Original & LE) over the last years. The sales of these grades have grown at a faster rate than entry level bats.

Rather than asking a sample of 1 (me), the market as a whole is deciding where to spend their money.
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1. Interesting that you see a constructive debate as picking a fight; lest that be your serious belief, let me assure you that I am not picking a fight, merely taking the opportunity to debate something I find interesting with someone who should have a great deal of knowledge of the subject.   To whit, if you say that my reading of your comments (which remains a reasonable one) was not your intention then I am happy to accept that.  Though - and I see this as a seperate point unrelated to what we have said before - I'd be interested as to what you perceive to be "label application" operations - because the ones that I would think of with that phrase seem to be highly thought of by many.

2. Accepting that you will constantly refer back to different business models, I do want to press this point - not about market penetration or the skills of a marketing agency and the players paid to use a brand (or at least to resticker their bats in line with it), but about actual product.  So, my questions (rephrased) are - do you feel that your G1 willow is in any way better than that used by smaller manufacturers? do you feel that the DXM process substantially affects the performance of your bats? do you feel that the quality of a top of the range GM bat justifies the difference in price (often over �100) with an equivalent smaller manufacturer?
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1 I have no problem with constructive debate. I do have a problem with straightforward explanations being twisted.

Labelling operations : Adidas, Puma, Slazenger for example. And as it happens a number of "UK" niche operations where the part finished blades are imported from India for minor finishing and labelling here.

2 Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kind regards

Edward Lowy
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Edward Lowy	Posted - 08/10/2010 : 11:06:41 Morning all Pleased to say that the GM 2011 website is now live http://www.gm-cricket.com/ Kind regards Edward
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Ailove	Posted - 15/10/2012 : 06:21:29 This is a matter of concern.
BRJC	Posted - 17/11/2011 : 01:02:48 Recently bought a GM Icon 808, so only Grade 2 English. It was "pre-knocked in" and prepared, but I did some of my own, and oiled it a bit more. Used it for the first time on the weekend, and was really impressed. Didn't bat for long, but everything came off nicely, good pickup for a heavier bat. Also has a high middle which suits where I'm playing (Australia), and also personally suits my style of play, in that I play the ball quite late. More to come. In other news, feels good to be back on the forums. Hello again everyone :).
Omega	Posted - 05/04/2011 : 12:13:39 What is your price budget for your new GM ?
Edward Lowy	Posted - 04/04/2011 : 19:03:22 quote: Originally posted by Flare888 My friend had a flare 404, it pings pretty well. Is there a significant difference leading up to the original? Yes there is - the further up the range you go, the lighter, more consistent a piece of willow you will get. Nothing to stop a 404 being a long lasting, highly satisfying blade however! Kind regards Edward
Edward Lowy	Posted - 03/04/2011 : 23:19:55 quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Nick_Admin Just to confirm this was not our store Sorry, could have been clearer about that (though I did say West London) - no, the sensitivities I refer to were those regarding the mention of competitors! Email received, many thanks, will investigate Kind regards Edward
Tykemania	Posted - 03/04/2011 : 17:09:35 quote: Originally posted by Nick_Admin Just to confirm this was not our store Sorry, could have been clearer about that (though I did say West London) - no, the sensitivities I refer to were those regarding the mention of competitors!
Nick_Admin	Posted - 03/04/2011 : 14:54:23 quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb. I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide. Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies... I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad! Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When? You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others. Kind regards Edward Edward; I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities. Just to confirm this was not our store
Edward Lowy	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 18:58:58 quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb. I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide. Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies... I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad! Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When? You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others. Kind regards Edward Edward; I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities. Thanks, but I haven't received anything : elowy@unicorngroup.com
Omega	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 17:46:06 Are we still allowed to discuss GM 2011 or has this now been taken behind closed doors ?
Tykemania	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 16:46:31 quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb. I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide. Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies... I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad! Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When? You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others. Kind regards Edward Edward; I've replied in a personal email to protect Nick's sensitivities.
Edward Lowy	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 15:03:32 quote: Originally posted by Tykemania quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb. I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide. Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies... I guess by coming onto a public forum, we are quite prepared to listen to all feedback, good or bad! Sounds very unusual. As a point, our reps would never pick goods up like that from a store, we just don't work like that. Which store? When? You will come to your own conclusions about the cost / benefit of our products or any others. Kind regards Edward
Tykemania	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:28:18 quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy The design process is very exacting before any manufacture starts. Our grading and selection of willow is stricter than many companies, our conditioning of the timber pre machining and during manufacture is superior, our fundamental processes are more consistent. Our hand finishing through the skill of our craftsmen is superb. I suggest you get some feedback from folk who have actually seen how we - and perhaps other companies - make their bats. In terms of value, it is for the market place to decide. Hokay, you'll feel that this is an aggressive question and again, its not meant to be but (and you can check back through forum records because I posted about this about twelve months ago) I happened to be in a fairly famous West London store at the same time as your travelling representative and was surprised to see him sent away if not with a flea in his ear (the owners being far too polite for suh things) certainly with an armful of bats that were being returned because they had been over graded as Original or LE's (your representative openly agreed on this point and suggested they required restickering downward). Bearing in mind your high end pricing structure, I'm sure you'll see why I'm less than entirely confident that your grading is as rifourous as you state in comparison with other companies...
Omega	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:14:23 quote: Originally posted by Edward Lowy quote: Originally posted by Omega Thank you for your reply Edward. So for the 2012 UK season no imported bats will carry the registered DXM logo ? As you say the current range of 101 and 202 KW imported bats carry the DXM logo http://www.gm-cricket.com/range/kashmir_willow_bats.aspx No problem. Background to this is a wonderful lack of foresight to be honest. We moved over to DXM manufacturing at about the same time as we decided to license our name in India. The only sensible way at the moment to service the developing quality Indian market is by bats being made there for that market. DXM has really taken off since launch, but of course we can only make a bat using the DXM process at our own factory in Nottingham. Meanwhile, our Kashmir Willow bats have generally followed the naming conventions of our UK made English Willow bats, so we found ourselves with DXM Kashmir (available worldwide) & DXM Licensed bats (available in India). These do not make any sense and I can see can cause understandable confusion in the marketplace, hence our move to restrict DXM labelled bats purely to English Willow, Made in our own factory in Nottingham. How daft can we be, eh? I think it's called the Law of Unintended Consequences. Kind regards Edward Thank you for your reply Edward and nice to get this cleared up as you mentioned it can lead to confusion amongst some folk.
Edward Lowy	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:03:26 quote: Originally posted by Nick_Admin If a bat is handcrafted in India, how can it be a DXM bat ? Exactly, it can't and isn't. See my post two above yours.
Nick_Admin	Posted - 02/04/2011 : 13:02:28 If a bat is handcrafted in India, how can it be a DXM bat ?

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